Topic Title: For Your Information Kelly
| |  "For Your Information Kelly"
, Mon 8 Apr 21:12
Hi Kelly
I wanted to email you personally about a new product that just hit the market about 6 weeks ago. However, your home page did not have your email address on it. I think it can fit what goes on here within your forum. Do me a favor and take a look. I'm a Sleep Apnea kind of guy and because of this affliction it caused some havoc in my life. Please read my personal story contained in my web site. The new product is having a positive effect on the many people who have started to consume it. http://www.ForWhatAilsYou.com
All the best,
Al Ferguson
Al Ferguson
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| |  "Re(1):For Your Information Kelly"
, Sun 14 Apr 05:18
If you suffer from something, you tend to be able to spell it correctly, so when you decide to go pray on other people who are quite happy without your product (if we want it we'll go find it for ourselves) try spelling APNOEA correctly.
Jex
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| | | "Re(2):For Your Information Kelly" , Sun 14 Apr 09:24
jexygirl, for your information Apnea is spelled exactly like it should be in my original post to this board. In your reply to my post, I think you may have meant to use the word "prey" instead of the word "pray". This is for your edification.
Now, eveyone have an excellent Sunday.
Al Ferguson
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| | | "Re(3):For Your Information Kelly" , Mon 15 Apr 14:19
If you would like to check a medical dictionary,(perhaps you should have done this in the first place) I think you'll find its Apnoea. To be sure, I also checked with another medical professional who works in a specialist sleep apnoea clinic, providing machinery and teaching for patients that really suffer the terrible condition that is sleep apnoea, she agrees, it is most definitely apnoea.
And, no, I meant pray. Think about it EVEYONE, though it may be too intelligent for some.
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| | | "Re(3):For Your Information Kelly" , Sun 14 Apr 12:36
Did you mean to say "everyone"??
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| |  "Re(1):???"
, Fri 12 Apr 16:49:
I'm interested in how this works. The ingredients listed for this product are:
Seroctin Ingredients
SUPPLEMENT FACTS
Serving size: 4 capsules
Servings per container: 30
Ingredient Amount Per serving %DV
Proprietary Blend 1500 mg *
Seroctin extract of Zea mays (Aerial) *
Lecithin *
Ginger (Root) *
Trace Minerals *
Alfalfa (leaf) *
*Daily Value (DV) not established
Other Ingredients: Gelatin, Fine white rice flour
Directions: As a dietary supplement, take up to 4 capsules twice daily with meals
Note: Keep out of the reach of children. As with any dietary supplement, if you are pregnant, nursing or using any prescription medications, consult with a health care professional before taking this product.
Seroctin Plus Ingredients
SUPPLEMENT FACTS
Serving size: 4 capsules
Servings per container: 30
Ingredient Amount Per serving %DV
Proprietary Blend 1500 mg *
Seroctin extract of Zea mays (Aerial) *
Lecithin *
Country Mallow 8% ** (Herb) *
Eleutherococcus Senticosus extract (Root) *
Ginger (Root)
Now these ingredients have been around for a long time and I have never heard of any of them increasing serotonin levels before.
Zea Mays is CORN SILK, Eletherocuccus is GINSENG and I think the others are self-explanatory.
I have my doubts about this product.
MJ DuPont
http://events.diabetes.org/memberpages/peshka
[this message was edited by DuPont on Fri 12 Apr 17:09]
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| | "Re(1):For Your Information Al" , Mon 8 Apr 23:25
Al, you are yet another in a long line of desparate MLM weasels who think that this forum is some kind of commercial ad space. I thought this sentence, the opening statement on your Research page summed up the credibility of your product:
"What does it matter if there is no science or research behind a product."
Funny also how a Google search on "seroctin" turns up only one hit, namely to your website.
Epyx
Posts: 149 | | Registered: Mon 3 Dec 2001 22:11 |
| | | "Re(2):For Your Information Al" , Tue 9 Apr 11:58
"Weasel and Desperate". I think not. For well over ten years I suffered with Sleep Apnea and if there is a product in the market that can help you not only with that but other afflictions. You bet I am going to get the word out! Seroctin has helped! You don't know me and you certainly do not know and understand my motivations for coming here to post what I posted.
Al
Al Ferguson
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| | | "Re(3):For Your Information Al" , Tue 9 Apr 15:56
Your motives are financial, something you failed to mention in your first message. Care to tell us which MLM you work for?
No scientific data means you are peddling nothing more than snake oil.
Epyx
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| | | "Re(4):For Your Information Al" , Tue 9 Apr 18:34
Hello Epyx. I take Seroctin and it helps my medical condition. I also sell Seroctin and because I sell Seroctin I will make an income from the sale of Seroctin. It does not get any simplier than that. I do not come to this forum to find people I can put into a downline. That is not my focus and motivation here. Please read "My Story" at my web site. I'll leave a link at the bottom. People are suffering and I just have a product that can perhaps help that suffering. There is no conflict of interest on my end. I am simply the messenger. If there exist a natural supplement that can help people with all types of problems do I not talk about it and share the information? As it relates to studies there is information at a site that will help answer many questions about Seroctin. Go there and read the information for yourself. It's located at www.Seroctin.com . Seroctin is not a snake oil because it has twenty years of science on it's side. It is important that people get educated about the benefits and impact this product can have on their lives.
Regards,
Al Ferguson
www.ForWhatAilsYou.com
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| | | "Re(5):For Your Information Al" , Wed 10 Apr 18:56
Al, I've already been to Seroctin.com and had a look around. It's just more of the same shonkiness that your own site promotes. A picture of guys in white coats and a bunch of breathless testimonials does not make your claims any more believable.
As for science, the presentation is very sloppy. I had to search high and low to find the mysterious case studies promoted. When i found them, there was no information about participant numbers, placebo rates, who conducted the study etc. Nor were the studies published in any journals. That makes them worthless.
Look, you could be a great guy who fosters orphans and rescues stranded kittens from tall trees. You may also genuinely believe that Seroctin is the panacea for all of Man's ills. But from here you have a number of profound problems:
1. You have a vested interest in the product
2. Your product is only available through a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) arrangement, a fact which by itself should undermine any credibility either website tries to create
3. This is a non-commercial forum
4. You have no quality scientific support for your claims
5. The "Seroctin Team" (read: your MLM uplines) denigrates SJW on their website, mostly by a number of links to stories on the flawed Duke Uni trial
In short Al, your presence here is most unwelcome. Thankfully, people in this forum are intelligent enough to recognise snake-oil claims when they see them.
Epyx
Posts: 153 | | Registered: Mon 3 Dec 2001 22:11 |
| | | "Re(6):For Your Information Al" , Wed 10 Apr 20:42
Well, you've said a mouth full. It's close to midnight here on the east coast and I just wanted to respond. Now let's review what you stated:
1. You have a vested interest in the product
I agree. Should that stop me from getting the word out?
2. Your product is only available through a Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) arrangement, a fact which by itself should undermine any credibility either website tries to create
Yes, the product is available only through MLM. Are you saying there are no good products available using this business structure? Are all MLM companies that offer health and wellness products producers of snake oil?
3. This is a non-commercial forum
I agree. They do not have to buy Seroctin from me.
4. You have no quality scientific support for your claims
Are you saying studies performed that also includes scientific data by Rhodes University should be discounted? Let me also say these studies are independent of the SRT.
Here is what they reported:
Seroctin and Mood or Feelings of Well Being
An Independent Biochemical Study
Research Results From:
Tanda, S.E. 2000. Rhodes University,152p.
How Seroctin affects processes important to mood or feelings of well being is examined in the research summarized below. Seroctin not only works in pathways concerned with melatonin, but also in those associated with serotonin, a major regulator of mood and emotion.
1. Serotonin controls many behavioral and physiological functions. This compound is a major modulator of mood, emotion, sleep and appetite. Decreased serotonin levels play a role in depression, chronic tension, headaches, weight gain, schizophrenia, hypertension and obsessive-compulsive disorders.
Research Results: With Seroctin, serotonin levels significantly increase. A 50% increase was seen in the laboratory study.
2. Tryptophan is the amino acid from which serotonin is made. It is also the least abundant of essential amino acids in most diets. This means that a very limited amount of tryptophan is usually available for making serotonin. Tryptophan dioxygenase (TDO) converts tryptophan to kynurenine, an amino acid of the urine. With increases in TDO activity, kynurenine is made at the expense of serotonin. Hence, the level of TDO activity indicates the amount of tryptophan being converted into serotonin.
Research Results: Seroctin significantly inhibits TDO activity thus leading to a rise in tryptophan available to the brain for serotonin synthesis. In the laboratory study, TDO activities were decreased by as much as 50%.
3. Serotonin is metabolized to hydroxyindole acetic acid (HIAA) and then excreted in the urine. Elevated HIAA levels indicate that greater amounts of tryptophan are being made into serotonin.
Research Results: Seroctin increases HIAA levels. A two-fold increase was seen in the laboratory study.
4. Tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH) is the rate-limiting enzyme in serotonin synthesis. Hence, its activity determines the amount of serotonin that is actually made.
Research Results: Seroctin has a profound stimulating effect on TPH activity. With Seroctin, TPH activity increased 33% in the laboratory study.
5. Melatonin is synthesized from serotonin. Reduced melatonin levels have been closely linked to behavioral changes and mood disorders. Studies have well demonstrated lessened melatonin in people with profound mood disorders. Melatonin levels lessen with age, which explains why younger people have less problems sleeping than do older people. Melatonin has also been reported to strengthen the immune system and reduce free radicals in the body.
Research Results: The laboratory study showed that melatonin production becomes elevated in the presence of Seroctin.
6. Monamine oxidase (MAO) is an enzyme in the brain that degrades serotonin. By reducing the degradation of serotonin through MAO inhibition, serotonin levels can be increased -- the rationale behind MAO- inhibiting antidepressants.
MAO affects many biochemical pathways beside ones concerning serotonin, and renders ineffective agents such as adrenaline, norepinephrine, and similar compounds. MAO inhibitors slow the rate of breakdown of these substances, making them accumulate in the blood and tissues. Thus, in a person taking a MAO inhibitor, any drug or food that contains adrenaline-like substances or that stimulates the body to form adrenaline may cause a sudden and dramatic rise in blood pressure. This can result in a severe headache or migraine and the rupture of blood vessels, which in turn could mean a stroke. For this reason, health care professionals are generally wary of prescribing MAO inhibitors, especially to patients with a history of stroke, high blood pressure, heart problems or liver disease, and such compounds are typically administered as a last resort.
If you are taking a MAO inhibitor, it is highly recommended that you consult your doctor prior to using any herbal or dietary supplement.
Research Results: Seroctin is NOT a MAO inhibitor. The data showed Seroctin as having no impact on MAO activity. Desirably so, the effects of Seroctin are due to other biochemical and physiological phenomena, as documented above and elsewhere.
5. The "Seroctin Team" (read: your MLM uplines) denigrates SJW on their website, mostly by a number of links to stories on the flawed Duke Uni trial.
You're misinformed. The SRT is not in any MLM organization. They are simply the developers and suppliers of the product.
My conclusion is that you have already formed an uneducated opinion on what Seroctin can do as a wellness product. An opinion that is highly biased because you have a vested interest in SJW. Perhaps you vested interest does not take on financial overtures but it still remains a vested interest. As the product gets out in the marketplace more studies will be done. As a matter of fact additional studies are being done at this very moment. Also, these studies will find a place in the medical journals very shortly.
I know the people here who frequent this forum are intelligent folks and are intelligent enough to look at other means that can have a positive impact on their health.
I wish you peace.
Al
Al Ferguson
Posts: 3 | | Registered: Sun 7 Apr 2002 17:6 |
| | | "Re(7):For Your Information Al" , Wed 10 Apr 21:04
Quick reply for you:
1. Vested interest
Yes, this should prevent you from "getting the word out" (i.e. advertising) in this forum.
2. MLM
Yes, I am saying that virtually all MLM organisations tend to indoctrinate their downlines, and furthermore that they operate in an ethical vacuum. Self-interest and marketing imperative are put ahead of everything else. And as a form of distribution, it inevitably results in prices well above what the normal market achieves. The day an ethical MLM organisation appears on the face of the earth is the day I run naked through my local streets with a rubber glove on my head.
3. Non-commercial
You should not be advertising here. You could have chosen to advertise Seroctin.com if you wished to provide information, but instead you chose to promote your own marketing site.
4. Studies
I am saying two things. One, the "SRT" is intimately connected with Utah U in the first place. Secondly, these limited studies have not been published nor detailed properly, which means they are not scientifically valid in their current form.
As for me, I hold no financial or other interests in any herbal product. My only interest is to protect the value and reputation of this forum for the benefit of current and future readers.
Epyx
Posts: 154 | | Registered: Mon 3 Dec 2001 22:11 |
| | | "Re(8):For Your Information Al" , Thu 11 Apr 21:56
Thanks, Epyx, for working hard to keep people from slipping advertisements in here. This guy, Al, seems pretty slippery and will stop at nothing from pounding us with his product. Whether it works or not, is not the issue and I don't think he's getting it. Also, thanks for your thoughtful responses to many of our queries. I appreciate your tireless efforts to maintain this site with the highest integrity possible. Shalinda
Posts: 9 | | Registered: Thu 28 Mar 2002 22:28 |
| | |  "Re(8):For Your Information Al"
, Thu 11 Apr 08:27
Epyx, just wanted to show some support and let you know you are not alone on this one! I totally agree with you. Al, this is not a site for selling questionable products.  This is a SJW discussion site, and your selling tactics seem to be pretty bold, rude, insensitive and tacky.
Posts: 26 | | Registered: Sat 29 Sep 2001 10:2 |
| | | "Re(9):For Your Information Al" , Thu 11 Apr 14:43
epyx- i will back you up, as well.
this rude individual clearly shows signs of absolute ignorance. buddy- realize when enough is enough.
it's your time to exit.
now leave, and don't come back.
Posts: 11 | | Registered: Thu 28 Feb 2002 15:55 |
| | | "Re(10):For Your Information Al" , Thu 11 Apr 16:01
Wow, thanks guys! Is it just me, or does this place rock? 
Epyx
Posts: 163 | | Registered: Mon 3 Dec 2001 22:11 |
| | | "Re(2):Re(10):For Your Information Al" , Fri 12 Apr 18:09
Epyx,
I just wanted to let you know that I always look for your posts because I respect what you have to say. You seem to be an extremely knowledgeable person who does his research homework before giving an opinion. Thanks for your valuable input! It's much appreciated!
HLS
Posts: 6 | | Registered: Tue 2 Apr 2002 11:9 |
| | |  "Re(2):Re(10): WHAT??"
, Fri 12 Apr 17:18:
Well, I just have to put in my 2 cents. I disagree with you telling anyone who can and who cannot post to this forum. You are NOT the moderator/administrator. If you have the need to be in control, start your own forum.
MJ DuPont
http://events.diabetes.org/memberpages/peshka
[this message was edited by DuPont on Fri 12 Apr 17:21]
Posts: 280 | | Registered: Wed 20 Jun 2001 6:19 |
| | | "Re(3):Re(10): WHAT??" , Fri 12 Apr 20:22:
Meow!  I admit I went a bit over the top in this thread.
We are starting to get advertisements in here, which goes expressly against Kelly's stated aims. The top post in this thread was a cleverly-disguised ad.
In time, advertisements tend to overwhelm forums and ruin them. I'd hate to see that happen here. I find it hard to just do nothing about them.
Epyx
[this message was edited by Epyx on Fri 12 Apr 20:40]
Posts: 169 | | Registered: Mon 3 Dec 2001 22:11 |
| | | "Re(2):Re(10):For Your Information Al" , Thu 11 Apr 16:41
epyx-
hey, it is YOU who rocks and this nifty network is not so bad either....he he!!
i feel the love in the room.
XO
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