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Topic Title: Outdated Test Results
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, Fri 23 Nov 09:35
I've been taking Sundown for a 4 weeks now and have noticed positive results. Having recently come across this discussion forum I naturally became concerned by Sundown's poor performance in the "LA Times" '98 potency study. What surprises me more is that it seems the best information we have to go on is over 3 years old, and there don't seem to be any other "objective" (as in no profit motive) studies out there to cross-reference. I'd imagine with Sundown being manufactured by the nation's largest supplement producer, that the "Times" study caused quite a stir, not only relative to their St. John's Wort product, but to their quality reputation in general, and that possibly the product tested 3 years ago is not representative of the product I'm buying today. On the other hand, I have no way right now of knowing this for sure.
I also find it interesting how the Safeway Select and Kira products are sometimes being described as coming in #1 and #2, while falling considerably short of claimed potency levels, when there were other products that delivered well above the claimed levels. Apparently in the eyes of some it's like "The Price is Right" where you need to get closest without going over (or at least not over by 30%). If any of the products would have come in anywhere near 100% of their potency claim, we'd likely have declared that product king and all be taking it, or at least tried it.
And where the heck is GNC in all this? They now seem to have a wide range of St. John's Wort offerings to choose from, but other than general statements of high quality, there's nothing to objectively judge them by. I’d imagine they were excluded from the “Times” study because they didn’t have a standardized offering at that point.
All that being said, I'm debating whether to stay with Sundown, or try Kira, Safeway Select, GNC or Nature's Herbs (the one I would declare #2 in the study). I'm also trying to determine which product would provide the best chance of reaping the benefits of all the elements of St. John's Wort. In other words which would provide the most consistent levels of hypericin, hyperforin, and any other potentially beneficial elements. Thet tends to lean me in the direction of GNC. However I like the fact Kira is supposed to basically represent the prescription product available Germany. All this can be quite confusing, and it takes so long to determine whether a new product works for you.
So I guess the bottom line is still whether there are any other "objective" studies out there, and if not why not? Wouldn't the author of the original "LA Times" article be interested in revisiting the subject and seeing what changes have taken place over 3 years (probably off the “Health and Nutrition” beat by now)?
And does anyone know which product(s) are being used in the 2 large-scale studies currently underway (aren't the results supposed to be out soon?) in the US? Hopefully they've covered off on some of this, or we're all likely still going to be somewhat confused regardless of their findings.
Sorry for the long posting ... it just seems this shouldn’t be so difficult, and it all just gets a little frustrating.
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Fri 23 Nov 2001 9:32 |
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| |  "Re(1):Outdated Test Results"
, Thu 29 Nov 10:36
I just heard of this site from the radio. Consumerlabs.com. I checked it out, and it looks like it compares products, but you have to pay $15, subscribe for one year, to see any of the results. They give one or two free results, but to see All the results of All the products tested you must pay. So, I was wondering who these people are, is it an unbiased, trustworthy site, or is it strongly biased towards drug companies?? It looked Very interesting. So, has anyone ever heard of them? Dupont, seems that you read a lot, what do you think? Let me know, anyone. 
Posts: 9 | | Registered: Sat 29 Sep 2001 10:2 |
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