Topic Title: ectasty
| |  "ectasty"
, Fri 25 Mar 15:43
i,ve recently got into Pills (ectasy and speed) and i,m having the time of my life, i,m on them now. but, some qs
How oftern should i take?
whats the best type?
how do i stop the mental addiction i sort already have,
do they really cause long term damage?
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Fri 25 Mar 2005 15:39 |
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| | "Re(1):ectasty" , Thu 7 Apr 07:59:
I really wish you wouldn't use this forum to ask about illicit hard drugs, but since you did...
How often should you take them? As infrequently as possible! This is coming from a guy who has tried them both too, over the years. Speed is a nasty drug, especially when it's mixed with alcohol... I'll never do it again. The nice upside really isn't worth the long downside and the strange things you see when you're up there. It's addictive and bad for your mind and body. If I never took speed again for the rest of my life I would be very happy for it. The problem is, MDMA and Speed are so often mixed together and sold under the generic street name of Ecstacy. In fact, today most "Ecstacy" pills contain mostly Speed and very, very little MDMA. This is because Speed is cheaper to make than MDMA, and many people do not really understand the difference.
My personal view of pure MDMA (the real drug that coined the phrase Ecstacy) is that it does have some valid therapeudic use for *some* people. It was once legal in the UK for therapists to prescribe, and having tried it myself I believe it to be an extremely powerful drug that evokes 100% positive emotions, teaches you how to feel close to someone, feel overwhelming love for a person, and to understand that the world isn't a horrible place after all. I've never felt such incredible love for people the world and myself, and I feel I am a better person for having tried it. I put my trust in God that something that feels so good can't be completely bad. Days later I could still feel the powerful emotions, long after the drug wore off. I believe that everyone should have the option to try MDMA *once* in their life. If you see this just once in your life, you will remember it forever. If you see this ever weekend, you probably won't "get it" at all.
However, since MDMA it is often mixed with speed, a nasty drug, and you never know what you are buying on the street or in a rock concert, be aware that you are putting your life and your future in your hands when buying a pill from someone... especially someone you don't know, who will tell you *anything* to get your money. Take speed and some alcohol together and you're in for a big, unpleasant surprise. Don't do it.
I know how widespread Ecstacy use is. That's a big part of the problem -- there's a general lack of education about it, because it's illegal. It's not all good or all bad. It has its place. But, people who take Ecstacy every weekend are really damaging their brain and their bodies, and there are scientific studies that prove this. Think about it, and how it makes you feel: it's incredibly good, yes, but you cannot feel that way all the time! Even if you take it once a month and then for many months, you risk potential long-term damage to your mind that cannot be reversed... however, this is the choice you have to make for yourself. Personally I don't believe that taking MDMA once in your life, or perhaps once a year, is all that bad, *but* once again, you never know what you're getting when you buy something on the street... and if you get mostly speed in the pill you buy, well, you'll become a speed junkie like so many people before you... or you could try real MDMA once, fall in love with someone, get married, have kids and live happily ever after, without ever having to try it again. Yes, it's possible.
These are powerful drugs that can cause a myriad of things. Speed in particular can cause psychotic episodes, especially for people who might be predisposed to such things but not yet know it. This is not stuff to be taken lightly.
I believe that taking drugs is a substitute for something missing in your life... let me speak from experience and say that it's much better to try and find your path in life naturally than to damage yourself along the way. It's a helluva lot easier to say it than to do it, but I hope you find the right path to take.
Best of luck,
Kelly
[this message was edited by kelly on Thu 7 Apr 08:05]
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| | | "Re(2):ectasty" , Sat 9 Apr 07:27
I would discourage anyone reading this thread to try this drug. Very dangerous and potentially addicting. Very irresponsible to promote drug usage!
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| | | "Re(3):ectasty" , Sun 10 Apr 07:50
It's also very irresponsible to tell someone to "just say no" without trying to understand their issues a little more fully. MDMA can cause big problems, particularly with long term use, but the factis, it's not really a dangerous drug. The problems are always traced back to other drugs found in the same pill, which was what I explained above. Speed and other methamphetimines can be dangerous. Please get your facts straight. Trying to tell someone like the original poster that it's very dangerous does nothing to help his problem at all -- and it's clear that you don't understand the issues of how, where and why these drugs are taken. Without that, we end up with two silos (or groups) of people who forever refuse to understand each other.
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| | | "Re(4):ectasty" , Sun 10 Apr 23:01
Well put Kelly. I did not read your post as encouraging drug use, just as well informed and quite reasonable. I feel much the same way, despite having only had one drug experience which was mostly pretty bad...
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| | "Re(1):ectasty" , Sat 2 Apr 06:15
ps. from what little i know but have experienced via my son the ecstacy damages the body/brains ability to regulate neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin. Science today is still guessing about how to correct RDS or reward dificiency syndrome. You are causing further damage to an already dysfunctional system... playing with your life and ability to live. get help
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| | "Re(1):ectasty" , Sat 2 Apr 06:09
Not sure if this is a serious question or not. But I feel compeled to reply. My son used ecstacy- he in hindsight most likely had the genetic makeup for Bi polar or schizoaffective disorder no way to tell for sure- Ecstacy triggered his first psychotic break at age 17. He was fully psychotic and suicidal. He had bought this at a rock concert. He was hospitalized for two weeks. After the psychosis wore off the effects of the ecstacy lasted for maybe a week, hugging and loving and emotionally expressive. He played with this dangerous drug for a few years and has been hospitalized for 2 weeks to 6 months every year for the last 5 years. Dont mess with this check out the web... brain scans showing the damage to the brain are redily available. yes he liked speed too..... snorted adderall.... obviously something lacking that he needed these things to feel good. Read Nurtritioanl Gene therapy which explains the deficit brain and craving behavior.
http://counselormagazine.com/pfv.asp?aid=Nutritional_Gene_Therapy.asp
A brain is a terrible thing to waste and nueroscience now demonstrates through brain scans of various types the irreversible damage.
There are alternatives natural that can help as you will learn on the above website. people who crave speed drugs are often helped with L-phenylalanine. Take with precausions as noted on the site - also good books on supplements for natural highs and healing in recovery. I became addicted to my ADHD medication - adderall. had to take higher and higher doses to get the same effect. 7 years taking between 60-100mgs a day. I am out of 3 month rehab and off since august. I take Sam e 1400mgs jarrows brand and Lphenylalanine 1000mgs per day. I will always be a recovering addict.... the high from this stuff is great but damaging and consuming . Life is short and then we dye. There are trade offs.... my sons tradeoff was his life. He has no quALity of life to speak of ... the damage has affected his cognitive abilities and social abilities . There is no reversal possibly nueroscience will discover treatment in his life time assuming his ongoing depression allows him to live long enough ...Get help now. The drug is powerful and with out professional help I doubt you can beat its power.
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| | | "Re(2):ectasty" , Thu 7 Apr 18:00
Yup it does A LOT of damage to brain cells which are unrepairable. It also killed 2 people I know of. One was heavy into it and one night while he was on Ecstacy he his heart just finally gave up on him. another decided to take double and died.
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