Topic Title: 5htp
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, Wed 7 Nov 17:46
I have heard that ecstacy users have been taking 5htp before and after taking ecstacy...this could not be safe....can some inform me of what could happen if they do this???
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| |  "Re(1):5htp"
, Wed 4 Jun 15:48
Not to say anything bad about anyone, but I would like to speak from experience. E has never killed anyone. If u know someone that "died form e", it was not e. It was some bunk **** they got a hold of (always test ur pill, that is what the kits r for-everyone should own one if u do e). I'm sorry u lost ur friend (I have lost a few), but that is reality. If they died while on e (if it was a real e pill), they died from a heat stroke, they should have done a lot of research before poppin a pill. As far as never doing, to each his own. Do not judge, because there is something u do that womeone else thanks is stupid. Also just like anything (drugs or beer or etc),yes the more u do, the more u have to do. Even meds from they doc do not work forever. On the 5-htp, it does not fix, but it helps. 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) works by increasing the cell’s output of serotonin. 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) is an amino acid that is the intermediate step between tryptophan and the important brain chemical serotonin.What Causes Serotonin Depletion In Your Brain?
Let's be honest. Living in the 21st century can be stressful. Stress if left unresolved over time, wears on both your mind and your body. Long-term, lifestyle stressors include:
Emotional problems- Anxiety, depression, fear, hunger
Physical problems- Fatigue, headaches, insomnia, obesity, pain, wounds
Nutritional deficiencies- Vitamins, minerals, enzymes, amino acids
Lack of exercise- Aerobic, muscular
Substances- Alcohol, caffeine, nicotine
These long-term stressors can deplete your brain's serotonin levels. Low serotonin may then contribute to further anxiety, depression, fatigue, headaches, hunger, insomnia, or pain. It's a vicious cycle. If you have one of these chronic problems, chances are that your brain is depleted of serotonin. This condition is so common that it is called serotonin deficiency syndrome. (www.bodyalivehealth.com/products/l-5-htp.htm)
Now, no where on there does it say ecstasy. Yes we all know that it does, but this proves that other things in ur life causes the same problems as e.
And here is a little info for thopse of u who don't know about e.
Ecstasy, or MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), is structurally similar to methamphetamine and the hallucinogen mescaline.
Early ecstasy MDMA was patented in 1913 (patent #274.350) by the German chemical company Merck supposedly to be sold as a diet pill (the patent does not mention any intended use). The company decided against marketing the drug and had nothing more to do with it. Another urban legend has the US army testing MDMA in 1953 as a possible truth serum, but there is no real evidence supporting this.
The man responsible for the modern research of MDMA is Alexander Shulgin, who after graduating from the University of California at Berkeley with a Ph.D. in biochemistry landed a job as a research chemist with Dow Chemicals. Among his many achievements for Dow Chemicals was one profitable insecticide and several controversial patents for what were to become popular street drugs. Dow was happy with the insecticide but Shulgin's other projects created a parting of the way between the biochemist and the chemical company. Alexander Shulgin is also the first reported human to use MDMA.
Shulgin continued his legal research of new compounds after leaving Dow, specializing in the phenethylamines family of drugs. MDMA is but one of 179 psychoactive drugs which he described in detail, but it is the one which he felt came closest to fulfilling his ambition of finding the perfect therapeutic drug.
Since MDMA had already been patented in 1913, it held no profit potential for a drug company, as a drug cannot be patented twice and before marketing a new drug, a company has to show that the potential side effects are justified by the drug's benefits as a medicine, and this involves long and expensive trials. The only way of recouping that expense is by obtaining exclusive rights to sell the drug through holding its patent. Only a few experimental therapists researched and tested the drug (between 1977 to 1985) for use during psychotherapy sessions.
In 1985, MDMA/Ecstasy received massive media attention when a group of people sued the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) to try to prevent them from outlawing the drug by placing it on Schedule 1. The US Congress had passed a new law allowing the DEA to put an emergency ban on any drug that it thought might be a danger to the public. On July 1st 1985, this right was used for the first time to ban MDMA.
A hearing was held to decide what permanent measures should be taken against the drug. One side argued that MDMA caused brain damage in rats, the other side claimed this might not be true for humans and that there was proof of the beneficial use of MDMA as a drug treatment in psychotherapy. The presiding judge, after weighing the evidence, recommended that MDMA be placed on Schedule 3, which would have allowed it to be manufactured, used on prescription and subject to further research. But the DEA decided to place MDMA permanently on Schedule 1. (www.ecstasyaddiction.com/ecstasy_history.html)
I hope that helps all of U. When U do e it lowers the serotonin levers, and 5htp helps to rebuild the levels.
Now, if I can find all this y can't U ?
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Wed 4 Jun 2003 15:7 |
| |  "Re(1):5htp"
, Thu 8 Nov 04:37
From what I have read ecstasy deletes serotonin levels to extreme lows. By taking 5htp before and after use, users are cutting recovery time and supposedly serotonin is restored. That is the gist of it, but ecstasy does more than that is causes irreversible brain damage, and memory loss but destroying serotonin receptors see this website http://165.112.78.61/NIDA_Notes/NNVol14N4/Ecstasy.html
MJ DuPont
http://events.diabetes.org/memberpages/peshka
Posts: 117 | | Registered: Wed 20 Jun 2001 6:19 |
| | |  "Re(2):5HTP & ECSTACY: IT DOES WORK!!!!"
, Sun 10 Mar 21:47
Hey,
Just thought I had to comment on that post.
Yes it does work on both counts.
A couple of pills the day before to build up your levels means
you need less E and plus it works a whole lot better.
Then take a couple of pill before you go to bed and a couple more the next day. You will find you get barely any come down at all.
Try it for yourself. Its well worth the miniscule cost for the 5htp.
I'd also like to pre-empt any further post from Dupont or others
wanting to have a go at E-users by simply saying, unless you have tried it you have no idea what you are talking about or missing out on.
Cheers from Australia,
Raveboy
PS Everyone is doing it you know.
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Sun 10 Mar 2002 21:27 |
| | | "Re(3):5HTP & ECSTACY: IT DOES WORK!!!!" , Wed 11 Dec 06:50
I love going to raves but I have never taken nor will I ever take E.
And Raveboy, aren't I part of "Everybody" ??? So please don't assume that you are the spokesman for all of us.
-5HTP will not "repair" the permanent damage that ecstacy does on your brain. It is not spackle to fill holes back in your brain.
- Don't forget that E is mixed with other drugs, perhaps not all of you have seen someone die from taking one hit of E but I have. If it happened to her it CAN happen to you.
- Do with you body as you choose but please don't judge the people who don't experiment with pills known to KILL PEOPLE.
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Wed 11 Dec 2002 6:45 |
| | | "Re(4):5HTP & ECSTACY: IT DOES WORK!!!!" , Thu 1 May 12:21
whats wrong with people today... everyone is so afraid of everything. Just like killer bees, sars, marijuana madness, poisened halloween candy, and the like, ecstacy too has become something to be afraid of. and as such this irrational fear is ungrounded. e has not been proven to cause permanent brain damage, ever. few studies involving animals being INJECTED witb SEVERLY HIGH potency lead to biased "evidence" of brain damage, interestingly 1 in 3 animals injected with e ended up dead, not something that happens in reality with humans therefore discrediting the study. go to cnn.com and do some research. new studies in germany claim e cause no permanent changes to the brain, and the changes that actually occur aren't identified as either damaging/helpful or neutral. but hey if your still afraid, maybe you should wear a helmet when you take a shower, you know.. in case you slip..
Posts: 0 | | Registered: Thu 1 May 2003 11:52 |
| | | "Re(5):5HTP & ECSTACY: IT DOES WORK!!!!" , Thu 1 May 12:31
now that im done ranting.... i've taken over 100 caps of e in the last year, and have noticed a significant decrease in its effects and an increase in the harshness of the comedown. these factors have influenced me to stop taking the drug as it isn't worth the effort anymore.. ive done some reasrch on serotonin and other neurotransmitters resulting in my desicion to take st. john's wort and 5-htp in order to replenish serotonin in my head. my theory is that e drains some sort of resovoir of serotonin making you feel good, but eventually depleting much of that resovoir with frequent use. I am taking a break from e in combo with taking 5-htp in order to refill this imaginary resovoir of serotonin and possibly making my next future e trip similiar to my first few. some people have posted that you need only take 5-htp just prior to your trip, but i find this unlikely to work effectively. I plan on taking a couple months worth of daily 5-htp dosage to achieve the same goal.. but i wonder if this is necessary.. any comments?
Posts: 1 | | Registered: Thu 1 May 2003 11:52 |
| | |  "Re(3):5HTP & ECSTACY: IT DOES WORK!!!!"
, Mon 11 Mar 04:44
How old are you?
MJ DuPont
http://events.diabetes.org/memberpages/peshka
Posts: 267 | | Registered: Wed 20 Jun 2001 6:19 |
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